Windows Media Center Tip: Burn DVR-MS Recorded TV To DVD
Intro
There seems to be a lot of confusion over how to burn a dvr-ms recorded tv show to a DVD that can be played in a stand-alone DVD player. Here are some programs you can use to burn and compress your dvr-ms files.
What is DVR-MS
When Microsoft Media Center records a TV show it is stored in a format called dvr-ms. Now I can only guess that ‘dvr’ stands for ‘digital video recorder’ and ‘ms’ stands for – well, we can probably all figure that one out. This dvr-ms format is basically a popular MPEG-2 video format with some ‘extras’ like certain copy protections and so forth. These files are very large due to the nature of trying to capture high resolution video – figure about 3.20 GB of hard drive space for 1 hour of recording. (Now you know why there are 250 GB hard drives on the market)
Burning a DVR-MS File to DVD
What everyone wants to do is to be able to burn a dvr-ms file to a DVD and then play that DVD in any standard DVD player. This functionality is built into Windows Media Center Edition 2005 – with some strings. In order to do this, you need to have the Sonic Encoder that is used to convert/compress/transcode/etc .the dvr-ms file to a playable MPEG-2 file. Now apparently you can’t buy this encoder (sonicencoders.msi) from Sonic but you can buy their DVD burning software PrimeTime that can create stand-alone DVD’s from your recorded TV shows. If you don’t have the Sonic Encoder installed, you still get a ‘create cd/dvd’ menu and you can create a DVD. Except it is a data DVD, meaning that it is burning the dvr-ms file as a dvr-ms file and you cannot play it in a stand-alone DVD player. I think this really confuses people and it’s a shame that some OEM’s omitted the encoder.
Here’s where it gets interesting – if you bought your Media Center PC from an OEM like HP or Dell, this should be installed for you and you are good to go. However, some OEM’s did not install this encoder (from what other people have said) and if you built your own system you did not get the Sonic Encoder with the retail OEM version of Windows Media Center Edition 2005. I did see where some people said that some OEM versions of Windows Media Center Edition 2005 came with three discs and the Sonic Encoder was on the third disc.
I’ll run down the programs you can use to burn your dvr-ms files to DVD and a quick overview of each.
Burning a DVR-MS File to DVD – Default Windows Media Center (using Sonic Encoder)
Let’s assume you have the Sonic Encoder installed on your system. When you go to your recorded TV folder, select a show you want to burn to DVD and then select the ‘more info’ button on your remote. This will pull up the menu to create a cd/dvd.

Once you select yes, then you are given the options of creating a data DVD, video DVD, or slideshow DVD. If you do not have the sonic encoder installed, you will not get this option and a data DVD will be created. Select ‘create DVD’ and the program creates your DVD in the background while you do something else.

I burned a 30 minute show in 5 minutes and it took up about 1.36 GB of space on the DVD. I was really amazed at how fast this was especially compared to the other options. The one thing you cannot do is edit the commercials. Some people are using other software programs to edit out the commercials in the dvr-ms file and then burning to DVD. The video quality was very good. This is the final product when you put it into a DVD player:

Burning a DVR-MS File to DVD– Using DVD Burning Software Nero
Let’s say you don’t have the Sonic Encoder installed – there’s still hope for you yet. A lot of DVD burning software such as Sonic Primetime ($79) and Nero support burning of dvr-ms files. I have Nero Vision Express which you can use to load up a dvr-ms file and burn to DVD or export to a different file format such as MPEG-2. Open the program and select create a movie if you want to save to your hard drive.

You can treat the dvr-ms file like any video file in Nero and you can edit out the commercials. Load up your dvr-ms file and then select ‘export’.

I exported a half-hour TV show to DVD quality MPEG-2 video and it took 2 hours and 1.23 GB of hard drive space. Using the default settings I wasn’t that impressed with the video quality.

Burning a DVR-MS File to DVD– Using Digital Media Converter
I found a program called the Digital Media Converter ($40) that will convert your dvr-ms file to all sorts of formats including DVD quality MPEG-2 and Windows wmv files. You simply load the file and then select the format you want to convert it to.

As advertised, there are a lot of formats to choose from.

I converted a 7 minute file to DVD and it took nearly an hour and 215 MB of hard drive space. The video quality was very good.
Burning a DVR-MS File to WMV– Using dCut
There is a free program available that will convert your dvr-ms file to a Microsoft wmv file called dCut. It has it’s own installer and works through the Media Center interface. You select which programs you want to convert and it runs the conversion.

Once you select a dvr-ms file from the list to compress to wmv format, you are given the option of editing it or just compressing it. I was not able to figure out how to edit out the commercials.

Once you select ‘compress’ it goes off and does the compression.

This program is different in that it submits your job over the internet apparently to a server somewhere in a que. There also always seems to be an executable running in my taskbar.
Update: I saw over on the Australian XP Media Center Community that I may have it wrong about how dCut actually works:
dCut doesn't submit jobs over the Internet, it runs an application on the taskbar which handles the compress/editing etc. This is where all jobs are queued and processed.

I converted a 30 minute file and it took one hour and 256 MB of disk space. The video quality was excellent.
Summary
If you have the right encoders installed you can burn a dvr-ms file to DVD right inside Media Center in a few minutes. If you don’t have the right encoders installed, you will have to use a separate application (some of them outside of the Media Center application) to burn a dvr-ms file to DVD. This does give you the ability to cut out the commercials. You can also use other programs (some within Media Center itself) to compress the dvr-ms file to other formats such as wmv to save hard drive space. Any way you go, Microsoft needs to do some work and offer all of the options (burn to DVD and compress to hard dive to save space) within the Media Center interface.


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20 Comments:
I followed your directions, but it always says media in the cd/dvd drive is not writable by Media Center. What kind of disk will work?
The disk tried was DVD-RW+
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Rick, at
11:50 PM
Tried to download DCut over the past couple of weeks but it isn't available at site. Any know locations where its available?
By
Rick, at
11:58 PM
Sonic Encoders available @
http://www.webelectric.net
/files%5CSonicEncoders.msi
Hope this helps.
Anon.
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Anonymous, at
11:52 AM
Just wondering . . . when I try to burn a TV show to DVD through Media Center, it takes forever. Let's say a half-hour show takes probably 3-4 hours to burn. That's why I'm looking for another program. But you say it didn't take near that long. Why do you think that is?
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Anonymous, at
8:35 PM
I would search The Green Button for the latest dCut version. Plus people there are always releasing new tools/programs to deal with the dvr-ms shows.
I haven't burned a lot of shows to DVD since this article but now I'm thinking that my 5 minutes might of been acutally just burning the dvr-ms show to DVD and not converting it to MPEG2. But 3 to 4 hours sounds like a long time for a 1/2 hour show. I did burn a 1 hour show a while ago and I think it took only about a half hour. Of course, I have a 16x DVD burner so if you have a slower burner that might account for something.
By
Tim Coyle, at
12:43 AM
I tried a program called dcut, which I didn't understand how to use and uninstalled.
I then found a program called Digital Media Converter, and downloaded the trial version.
If anyone is aware of this program, maybe they could help me.
I can successfully ( I think) convert a file to NTSC, but when I am done, that file doesn't appear anywhere on my computer. I click on save converted file as . . . and name a folder to save it in. But still can't find the converted product anywhere.
I am really tired of trying to find something better to burn dvr-ms files to dvd.
And my burner is at least 16X write speed, so I don't know why it takes so long to burn a tv show. But this is getting really old.
Thanks for any advice...
By
Anonymous, at
6:13 PM
I'm new to this forum, and new to the world of digital video recording. I have an HP Pavilion m7100y Media Center PC with two tuners, and a DVD burner. It provides a downloadable program guide ala the Tivo service. It is easy, especially using the program guide, to record television shows to the hard drive, including standing orders to record a series, or any movie with say, Penelope Cruz, or every soccer match with the U.S. national team.
So far, so good. Because my system is up in the office on the second story of my house, I want to routinely record various programs (4 weeks of Boston Legal are waiting on the hard drive) to DVD so that I can watch them on my TV in the downstairs living room.
Now for the teeth grinder. I have only been able to record just several of the many hard drive stored programs onto DVD, either R, or RW. What usually happens is that it appears to be recording, but never goes beyond 3% percent completion. I called HP about this, thinking something was wrong with my unit. After successfully burning a video (that came with the computer) off the hard drive, the HP person said that the problem was a form of copy protection put there by the originator of the material. I have only been able to burn 3 DVDs from my recorded television files, one, a documentary, took me three tries before I was successful, one episode of Boston Legal, and a World Cup qualifying match. Since then I have tried to record other programs to DVD, with no success. In all these unsuccessful cases, I get no helpful message or warning such as, “Transfer recording failed because you are attempting to record without permission”, or something like that, instead something like “3% completed”, even after many hours. I was also unsuccessful in recording a short travel show episode off of PBS.
The DVR files are in dvr-ms format. I have seen articles on the Web saying that various software programs can help convert these files to a more compatible format. One mentioned that the software being described could burn unprotected programs. Is that the issue here, or am I missing something?
If I find that I can not routinely record my media center programs to DVD, would I have more success with something like a bundled Tivo – DVD recorder? Can you routinely record programs to Tivo’s hard drive, and then routinely record those programs to DVD?
Thanks,
Fred
By
Fred Bounds, at
3:12 PM
Hi Fred,
I'm not sure if you can burn Tivo shows to a DVD. I don't think you can but maybe someone who has a Tivo can chime in.
If you have Media Center Edition 2005, then you should have no problems burning your dvr-ms recorded shows to DVD. You have to make sure you have the sonic encoders though to get this to work. You can use other programs like Nero Vision (that comes with Nero DVD burning software) to convert your dvr-ms shows to another format like MPEG2.
In the past the only dvr-ms shows that had problems burning were the channels like HBO and Star that you typicallly for extra for.
Hope this helps. You can also re-read my post and try some of those programs. If none of this works, then I would try to contact one of the Microsfot media center bloggers as you probably have a special case.
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Tim Coyle, at
10:51 AM
Hi Tim,
Thanks for replying. I think I may have discovered the problem. Not knowing any better, I was attempting to record to DVD using the Media Center program (something like Othe Programs, Burn DVD, etc., but can't remember exactly and I am writing this at work.)
Then I discovered MyDVD, the Sonic product that also came on my machine, and it seems to work well, and it is relatively fast. Since that discovery, I have been able to record some more Boston Legals, and Desperate Housewives. If I encounter the occasional program that will not record to DVD, I will assume that is due to some form of copy protection, and not the program itself.
Regards,
Fred
By
Fred Bounds, at
4:01 PM
A patch with the Sonic encoder is available from Gateway's ftp site for their media center pcs (specifically 831GH,831GM,834GM,835GM,836GH,836GM,840GM)
ftp://ftp.gateway.com/pub/hardware_support/drivers/win_xp/misc/
The files to download are:
1. sonicencoderpatch.txt (instructions with password)
2. sonicencoderpatch.exe (self extracting zip file).
By
Allan, at
11:54 PM
You can also get it from HP at
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericSoftwareDownloadIndex?lc=en&cc=us&softwareitem=ob-30721-1
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Anonymous, at
3:24 AM
'I burned a 30 minute show in 5 minutes...' using sonicencoders.msi.
Well to do the same on my system takes nearly an hour!
Not much use if you want to quickly put a show onto DVD so you can play elsewhere.
How do you get this to work in 5 mins? This would be great
By
Anonymous, at
10:24 PM
Since Rollup 2 it now takes me a lot longer to burn a show to DVD. This makes sense because the show is recorded in Microsoft's DVR-MS format and needs to be converted to MPEG-2 for DVD. I'm not sure if things changed with Rollup 2 but I suspect that when I quoted the '5 minute burn' I was actually just burning a backup of the DVR-MS show and not a true DVD compatible copy.
By
Tim Coyle, at
7:48 PM
hi,i'm just wondering if you said that i can burn tv recorded file using nero vision..cause when i try to open the file using nero,all i can see was the video,but there is no audio sound..is there any suggestion?
By
Anonymous, at
5:14 PM
hi tim,
are you able to tell me how I can upgrade my media centre to the one that has the encoder. I only bought my new asus laptop last month oct 2006. & I believe I should get the rollup free? or is there any way to upgrade from nero express to nero vision express?
Thanks
Cheers Mikey
By
Anonymous, at
2:38 AM
You can take a look at the following link to convert dvr-ms to dvd:
http://www.soft29.com/dvr_ms_to_dvd.html
By
Anonymous, at
12:06 AM
I use avs software to convert my dvr-ms files. Converting speed is very fast. Here is its downloading address:
http://www.soft29.com/dvr_ms_converter.html
By
Anonymous, at
9:13 PM
I had trouble in my one try at burning a dvd of my recorded shows off of the Media Center a couple of weeks ago. Now I'm trying again and google sent me here. From reading this, my Media Center seemed to only have a record data to dvd, not record a video. Figuring that I'm missing the mentioned sonicencoder, I searched my drive for it and didn't see it. Poking around a little more, I figured that I would verify that Media Center wouldn't record to video. Voila, this week it will record to dvd. I'm wondering if my MS auto-update fixed something when I wasn't looking.
So I just recorded an hour program and it took about 10 minutes. Don't know what it looks like yet, but I'm hopefu. Thanks for putting this info up.
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Anonymous, at
6:51 PM
Having trouble recording a 2-hour show to DVD. Media Center says the program is too long and offers to compress it. When that offer is accepted, Media Center then says the content is still too large for the DVD. Is there a way to spread it across two DVD's? Just using the standard Media Center with the OEM Sonic software.
Should it be recorded as a data DVD?
Thanks for all the helpful information.
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Anonymous, at
1:52 PM
If I remember correctly about one hour of recorded TV takes up 3.2 GB of disk space. So a 2 hour show would be about 6.4 GB. Media Center is suppose to be able to compress the TV shows (meaning it uses a lower bitrate to burn, so lower video quality but smaller file size) but I don't know how much compression it can do. If you haven't tried this already, then check to see what type of DVD you are burning your show to. You can get double layer DVD's that can hold up to 8.5GB of video but they are more expensive. You might be using a 4.7GB DVD that is more commonly available. I'm not aware of any ways to split a show across two DVD's. Hope this helps!
By
Tim Coyle, at
10:07 AM
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